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. >>> if we go over the fiscal cliff, global business travel association estimates that u.s. biz travel spending will take a $20 billion hit in the short term. but how about the long term outlook? find out next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, business pro. yes, it is. go national. go like a pro. >>> what are the long term effects for business travel if the economy falls off the fiscal cliff? the gbta predicts the reduced deficits and lower interest rates will lead to growth in the economy and an increase in business travel spending. >>> welcome back. now to the weather channel. reynolds wolf is standing by. what is happening around the country today? >> the story is all west. everything is taking place out west. rain, some strong winds, even some snow. some places snow getting
. >>> if we go over the fiscal cliff, global business travel association estimates that u.s. biz travel spending will take a $20 billion hit in the short term. but how about the long term outlook? find out next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. governor of getting it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the...
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we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people continue to spend, housing is a little better. all the things that affect stock market are in decent shape. the question was will everything going on cause them on slow down again. >> what are you you see rg businesses right now? >> almost a year and a halving a go, businesses getting concerned about the nature of the dialogue about the fiscal situation? washington and in europe and the issues that had to be dealt with long term and how it affects near term business in terms of what would be accelerated appreciation for investment in business. what will be the final demand
we talked about a lot of things including the looming fiscal cliff. talked about business concerns as you head into the end of the year and even what to expect in 2014. bank of america has 55 million customers here in america. they represent one out of every two households. so moynihan has a very good idea about what consumers are doing and if they spending less because of the fiscal cliff. here's what he had to say. >> i'm more about business behavior than consumer behavior. people...
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we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. >>> welcome back to "squawk box," everyone. let's take a look at shares of walgreens. november same store sales fell by 6.2%. that is smaller than the 7.3% drop that analysts had been expecting. >>> and a big deal just made official moments ago, freeport mcmoran is buying two companies. the combined price about $20 billion. now owns about 31% of mcmoran exploration. take a look at that, up about 25% for plains exploration. >> mm-hmm. >>> and another company moving up its dividend, best b
we'll and jeff solomon -- what other effects the fiscal cliff is having on business and investment. and reminder, here we go again, this is -- don't miss steve liesman's exclusive interview. >> read it, joe, it's what the company wants you to do. >> with treasury secretary tim geithner. liesman will be on at 4:00 he'll also have geithner. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. ♪ the lexus...
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cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >> that thing really stuck. >> that's a good question. that's good trivia. i'll goog it. >> we've said it's not really. it doesn't happen really. it's more of a ski slope it's not a black diamond slope. it's more advanthan advanced. >> a double blue. >> but not without a lot of moguls. >> dan gilbert is the own of the cleveland cavaliers and the founder of quicken loans and you're the perfect person to have here because you have your finger on so many different things happening in detroit and around the country. let's start with the housing industry this morning because people have been trying to figure out if the resurgence
cliff uncertainty could lead to an increase in mergers and acquisitions. they look to complete transactions by year end and i made a fool of myself the last hour trying to go all the way through. not doing it anymore. >> we do that all the time here. that's what we have three hours for. >> it was dumb. >> the name fiscal cliff where did that actually come from? >> i don't know. >> bernanke maybe. >> maybe. >> really? >> maybe bernanke. >>...
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brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january i think they will probably see some sort of a modest slowdown versus that third quarter trend that we saw. >> let me take you specifically to a note out you have this morning on the cruise liners where you are talking about the trends there. the pricing there continuing to deteriorate at a time when royal caribbean is up 42% year-to-date. carnival up 19%. what do you make of that area now? should people sell? >> i guess i would say contrary to what your guest just said from bank of america, we are actually seeing weakening signs across all four sectors. we cover hospitality broa
brian moynihan was talking about small businesses impacted by the fiscal cliff. i did an interview yesterday afternoon with someone who has done hundreds of channel checks and works in the same areas as you and warns me that he's seeing softness. take a listen. >> we're seeing now october, november little bit of a slowdown. it's due to post-election blues. fiscal cliff coming up. you had hurricane impact on the northeast when most of the companies report fourth quarter sometime in january...
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business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead. >> as fiscal cliff negotiations and debate continues, i think it's important to remember that washington doesn't have a revenue problem. it has a spending problem. under this administration under president obama we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes -- >> those are some of the republican leadership in the house as you can see responding to the white house's response to their counteroffer of a couple days ago as a reminder the president is going to speak to the business roundtable at 10:50 this morning. we think he
business, continue to grow and at the same time make sure we solve this fiscal cliff. each and every day as we walk the halls you continue to ask the question. we want the answers solving fiscal cliff. we put be a offer on the table. the president now has to engage. i think the next 72 hours are critical. he sits back and continues to play politics, that will give you answer of where we're going. this is an opportunity for this country to lead. this is an opportunity for the president to lead....
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do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are more optic. first of all see what they think, unlikely 73% back in november when we asked about the debt program would there be an agreement, 73% saying that, now 44%. the number you want to think is 4% to 44% thinks a solution is likely. who thinks it's likely, that's interesting and driving this number. he can break it down by party. look at what we find, republicans 52-42, independents, i come back here, there we go, independents 47-32 and it's really what you see here 60% of democrats think it's unlikely. i just want to show you again when we get to
do on whether or not people heard about the fiscal cliff. have you heard of it? comparing it to some of the other times people asked about news event, there's the trayvon martin shooting in the street, occupy wall street, 82%, facebook ipo 7 %, 70% of the republic has heard it compared to the fiscal crisis in greece, 63% had heard it. in that number 36% had read a lot about it or heard a lot about it. do they believe a solution is likely? our numbers different from other poles. americans are...
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as we approach the fiscal cliff and harry reid's state has been slow. it's hit every industry in nevada and i mean every industry. >> how's business? >> it's been better. >> susan austin run as small business outside reno, nevada, but her business is different. it's a brothel. the legendary mustang ranch. >> this is one of our suites, the asian suite. austin thought the world's oldest profession would be recessionproof. not true. >> then went my high rollers. they discovered they didn't have the discretionary income and they couldn't play as hard as they used to. well that definitely dug into their wallets which definitely affected us. >> will the fiscal cliff impact the mustang ranch? >> well, if folks rub out of money and jobs, i suppose it could. >> gillman is a republican who is looking to nevada's powerful democrat harry reid to keep that from happening. >> do you like harry read? >> harry reid and i have been friends if 30r years and harry and i both share a vision and a love for the state of nevada. >> susan austin says even here the cliff will h
as we approach the fiscal cliff and harry reid's state has been slow. it's hit every industry in nevada and i mean every industry. >> how's business? >> it's been better. >> susan austin run as small business outside reno, nevada, but her business is different. it's a brothel. the legendary mustang ranch. >> this is one of our suites, the asian suite. austin thought the world's oldest profession would be recessionproof. not true. >> then went my high rollers. they...
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so you have the fiscal cliff, and the business confidence is at an all-time low. consumer confidence is at a 4 1/2 year high. germany's stock market is up 25% this year, both in dollars and euros. the u.s. dollar and the euro are about the same. basically, you want to watch the ten-year treasury interest rate. it's been going down this week. you always show that at the end of the week. gold has basically been very quiet. you're waiting for the dough here. you're looking for the market to give you a sense of where the economy is going. >> we're waiting for green lights. do you feel when all is said and done, no matter how much we talk about, you know, how the end of the world would arrive if we went over the fiscal cliff, people in the market basically his surely they can't be that done. they're assuming it's going to get done. >> i think the markets are saying -- it's balanced 50/50. my personal opinion is it's a higher chance it won't happen. just as bill clinton managed to pin the blame for the government shutdown on newt gingrich and put the republicans in retr
so you have the fiscal cliff, and the business confidence is at an all-time low. consumer confidence is at a 4 1/2 year high. germany's stock market is up 25% this year, both in dollars and euros. the u.s. dollar and the euro are about the same. basically, you want to watch the ten-year treasury interest rate. it's been going down this week. you always show that at the end of the week. gold has basically been very quiet. you're waiting for the dough here. you're looking for the market to give...
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i say fiscal cliff, david, you say? >> we have a short-term ficscal cliff. we need to deal with the fiscal cliff. have a credible down payment on the tax and spending side. bridge to a grand bargain next year. the fiscal cliff is the symptom. structural deficit is the disease. we need to learn from australia, canada, new zealand, sweden. we need to do it next year. >> all right. >> get dr. dave to washington right away so that we avoid what cramer on "meet the press" this weekend had great line. he said on january 8th when the reporting starts, there will be a foot race to fire people if we don't get this cliff taken care of which is why if we're going over the
i say fiscal cliff, david, you say? >> we have a short-term ficscal cliff. we need to deal with the fiscal cliff. have a credible down payment on the tax and spending side. bridge to a grand bargain next year. the fiscal cliff is the symptom. structural deficit is the disease. we need to learn from australia, canada, new zealand, sweden. we need to do it next year. >> all right. >> get dr. dave to washington right away so that we avoid what cramer on "meet the press"...
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i want to talk to you about business, but how you preparing for the cliff? >> well, there's no way one can be preparing. you have to be think about uncertainty as you make your investment decision. in terms of fiscal policy, obviously there's a great goal between the republicans and the democrats. at least there's a bit of talk on the table now. hopefully that can start to narrow. we're certainly still living in uncertain times. we're cognizant of that as we inves invest. >> as a small business owner, how would you characterize business right now? your jewelry line, small business activities pmplg. >> i've had the good fortune of creating a fashion brand. i have jewelry, shoes, handbags, et cetera. i found a niche within the market hthat's looking for affordable price points. it's really been resonating very well. >> sounds like you're on style, actually. ivanka, good to have you on the program. we look forward to you ringing the bell and lighting the christmas tree out here. we'll see you soon. over to you, bill. >> all right. thank you very much. thanks to
i want to talk to you about business, but how you preparing for the cliff? >> well, there's no way one can be preparing. you have to be think about uncertainty as you make your investment decision. in terms of fiscal policy, obviously there's a great goal between the republicans and the democrats. at least there's a bit of talk on the table now. hopefully that can start to narrow. we're certainly still living in uncertain times. we're cognizant of that as we inves invest. >> as a...
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. >> the president had a busy fiscal cliff day, also met privately with the ceo ofs of home depot, coca-cola and yahoo!. not to be out done on this pr front, house republicans made it public, hosting a group of nervous business leaders. they've signed on to a campaign called fix the debt. they want big spending cuts to supplement the coming tax hikes. >> i'm hopeful but i wouldn't put me anywhere near the optimistic category. we have a long way to go and a few days to get it done. >> don't forget that's erskine bowels. republicans are trying to put pressure on democrats even as democrats enjoy the moment on taxes. here is where republicans are on entitlements. >> there's been no serious discussion by the white house on entitlements, on medicare and medicaid. this has to be a part of this agreement or else we just continue to dig the hole deep i. >> republicans are very frustrated that what's taking up oxygen right now is the issue of taxes. in fact, yesterday that's what happened. the first major public break inside the republican controlled house, oklahoma congressman tom cole who endorsed
. >> the president had a busy fiscal cliff day, also met privately with the ceo ofs of home depot, coca-cola and yahoo!. not to be out done on this pr front, house republicans made it public, hosting a group of nervous business leaders. they've signed on to a campaign called fix the debt. they want big spending cuts to supplement the coming tax hikes. >> i'm hopeful but i wouldn't put me anywhere near the optimistic category. we have a long way to go and a few days to get it done....
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, we would love to see the fiscal cliff solved, we would love to see fundamentals come back to sense, but our business, the affordable care act, i don't see that as a big impact at all. >> simple, good clean story with good distribution, nice yield. scott peters, chairman and president of health care trust of america. they are not involved with the craziness of washington other than maybe they can profit from it. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like something... ♪ [ car alarm deactivates ] ♪ ...or you can get out there with your family and actually like something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. n you take a closer look... offering some of our best values of the year. ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in
, we would love to see the fiscal cliff solved, we would love to see fundamentals come back to sense, but our business, the affordable care act, i don't see that as a big impact at all. >> simple, good clean story with good distribution, nice yield. scott peters, chairman and president of health care trust of america. they are not involved with the craziness of washington other than maybe they can profit from it. [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- ♪ you can stay in and like...
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cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how they might accommodate health care reform. he said they would have to go ahead and use many more part-time workers because obamacare was simply too expensive. there was a big backlash against that. so he is going to have to go ahead and, as a result, they are going to keep full-time workers on. they're stuck with the cost of obamacare. he also said, they're having a tough time, people aren't coming into the restaurants because the economy is bad. so in my mind he spoke out. he got punished for it. at the same time the economy is terrible. he is really struggling. at the
cliff concerns really mean for businesses and your money. jim aim most, chairman of tasti delight and plan net smoothie. we have the ceo of fastsigns. jamie richardson is the vice president of white castle. we have a power panel. thanks for joining us. i want to start with news from clarence otis, ceo of darden restaurants. obviously he came out of and said the forecast for his company going forward is looking very bleak. the negative media coverage focused on darden and how they might...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and you can tell us something about that knophone c? >> we had very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to give to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reform? >> there are a lot of options on the table, including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election, you were asked whether if obama won taxes would have to go up. and you've made it sound like you would oppose that. now you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table as a way to begin to move the process to get this resolve
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious, as well. >> is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and you can tell us something about that knophone c? >> we had very nice conversation last night. it was direct and straightforward. but this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of...
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we would love to see the fiscal cliff solved, we would love to see fundamentals come back to sense, but our affordable care act, i don't see that as a big impact at all. >> simple, good clean story with good distribution, nice yield. scott peters, chairman and president of health care trust of america. they are not involved with the crazies in of america other than maybe they can profit from it. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. >>> are we underestimating sandy, just plain wrong about how much rebuilding needs to be done? maybe this morning we got a recognition from bill dudley, president of the new york federal reserve, that sandy might be the big o
we would love to see the fiscal cliff solved, we would love to see fundamentals come back to sense, but our affordable care act, i don't see that as a big impact at all. >> simple, good clean story with good distribution, nice yield. scott peters, chairman and president of health care trust of america. they are not involved with the crazies in of america other than maybe they can profit from it. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary...
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cliff, rather, and if they don't, it could harm consumer can ha confidence and in turn businesses like this one in pennsylvania. but, chris, also expect republicans to sort of lob a counterpunch today. i expect them to sort of highlight a business nearby that could be harmed if taxes do go up on those making $250,000 or more because, of course, that is for some small businesses their budget level. chris? >> and one thing, a quick follow-up, did the white house -- do you have any indication did the white house expect the reaction they got on capitol hill yesterday? i assume with this proposal, which much of it isn't new. this is essentially the president's budget proposal from last year, that they didn't think john boehner was going to say, that sounds good, let's do that. but did they expect the dismissiveness and john boehner's tone in his press conference yesterday? did that catch them by surprise at all? >> reporter: well, i think the white house democrats were a little surprised by the backlash but, as you point out, this budget proposal is essentially what the president proposed l
cliff, rather, and if they don't, it could harm consumer can ha confidence and in turn businesses like this one in pennsylvania. but, chris, also expect republicans to sort of lob a counterpunch today. i expect them to sort of highlight a business nearby that could be harmed if taxes do go up on those making $250,000 or more because, of course, that is for some small businesses their budget level. chris? >> and one thing, a quick follow-up, did the white house -- do you have any...
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this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and liberty, if you can't stand for those, and fight for them, they have no business being one of the two major political parties. >> monica is right, the republicans have allowed obama to ccntrol the debate, we have the morale high ground and our plan, obama in 2011 talking about tax reform said we can -- we don't have to raise tax rates, we can lower tax rates by capping deducts. he said that. lou: where is coordinated action and rhetoric from the party? i'm talking about from mayors to governors. >> we have been great wi
this fiscal cliff. the republicans, as i mentioned, they are not mounting any kind of response to the charge by the administration. >> not surprising. the republicans have been known for as long time as the stupid party, they are a hot mess, they came out of this elect on the losing end, they have done nothing to try to regroup, this affects every american's life and pocketbook, they still can't get it together with a coherent message based on their core principals, economic freedom, and...
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> good morning. i'm mika brzezinski along here with joe scarborough, and this is "way too early." it's just "way too
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> good morning. i'm mika brzezinski along here with joe scarborough, and this is "way too early." it's just "way too
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> we can debate at length whether the november 6th election was a mandate, but i don't think we can debate the basics that it was a work order, a work order from the american people to members of congress and to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the message? because the message was work together. what we hear from him is all of his pain and frustration and angst dealing with the tea party in his own caucus. well, there comes a point when he needs to look beyond his caucus to the house and to the nation. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe." >> i guess the more things change, the more they stay the same. it's depressing, you're right, harold, we've seen this movie before. this was a year ago. this happened a year ago. and i know the media says oh, it's the republicans' fault any time the house doesn't completely fold into what the pres
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> we can debate at length whether the november 6th election was a mandate, but i don't think we can debate the basics that it was a work order, a work order from the american people to members of congress and to the president, roll up your sleeves, work together and solve the problems. we got the message. did speaker boehner get the...
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in part because of worries about the fiscal cliff. have entrepreneurs sitting on the sidelines. who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot, and even best of breed staples, as companies shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commodized. think personal computers. just witness the hideous performance of best buy. despite all these big perceived big picture, office max has been rallying like crazy. stock has run up 122% for year. yes, 122%. and it's fallen from 4.26 from the beginning of august to nearly $10. right now where the stock is less than a point off its 52-week high. is that -- well what the heck, right? five months ago this stock had been left for dead. but now somehow office max has managed to find new life and become a monster good performer. jus
in part because of worries about the fiscal cliff. have entrepreneurs sitting on the sidelines. who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot, and even best of breed staples, as companies shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices...
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a lot of projects on hold, though, fiscal cliff. yep, the obstacle is washington all because of the need to sock it to the 2% not the 1.5% and the over 400,000 crowd, the 1%, or the need to fulfill the anti-tax pledge of allegiance many of our congressmen made to grover norquist. he makes the other guys look like crash dummies. we're on the cusp of an economic boom in this country. but we have politicians that would rather create a recession, a mandated economic collapse, let's create a bear market versus rising above. and guess what? these enemies of wealth and job creation may get their way and win. yes, to borrow a phrase from my own rant last time we were on the brink of a washington-inspired financial disaster, they know nothing. shawn in illinois. shawn? >> caller: hello, jim. >> what's up, chief? >> caller: from chicago land. >> done. speak to me. >> caller: -- for some time now, and i just heard a report that their sales revenue from call of duty black ops 2 has topped $1 billion in 15 days. and for the entire "call of duty"
a lot of projects on hold, though, fiscal cliff. yep, the obstacle is washington all because of the need to sock it to the 2% not the 1.5% and the over 400,000 crowd, the 1%, or the need to fulfill the anti-tax pledge of allegiance many of our congressmen made to grover norquist. he makes the other guys look like crash dummies. we're on the cusp of an economic boom in this country. but we have politicians that would rather create a recession, a mandated economic collapse, let's create a bear...
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we want to listen to speaker boehner making comments right now on the fiscal cliff. >> small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who in today's economy are facing challenges on a daily basis. the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. and the debt problem that we have will continue to threaten our children's future. as i said the day after the election the republicans are not seeking to impose our will on the president. we're seeking a bipartisan solution that can pass both chambers of congress and be signed into law by the president in the coming days. during the campaign
we want to listen to speaker boehner making comments right now on the fiscal cliff. >> small business owners are regular men and women from all backgrounds who in today's economy are facing challenges on a daily basis. the president's tax increase would be another crippling blow for them while doing little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because...
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fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be going nowhere. today president obama will meet with members of the business round table. plus, on the economic calendar, the november adp report on employment is due at 8:15 eastern. u.s. equity futures at this hour are indicated higher. not much happened yesterday. it's wednesday, december 5th, 2012, and "squawk box" begins right now.
fiscal cliff negotiations appear to be going nowhere. today president obama will meet with members of the business round table. plus, on the economic calendar, the november adp report on employment is due at 8:15 eastern. u.s. equity futures at this hour are indicated higher. not much happened yesterday. it's wednesday, december 5th, 2012, and "squawk box" begins right now.
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if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every thursday as the claims spike because of mandated layoffs particularly in a military industrial complex. people will lose that right in 2013. and thousands of other companies are slimming down because, hey, we failed to rise above. when that happens, believe me, you'll want every bit of this mountain gear. you'll want the ice ax. man, we got to use this. this will no longer just be a key chain because if we're cl m climbing out of the cliff you need to be the first there and with the best stocks. i envision all segments of the market getting pummeled but the ones that come back first are the ones that sold down first. so the best could be the worst. to me that means i want to climb out of the cliff using a stock like home depot. i'm going to climb out there to get this, yeah, home depot. that's one i'm going to get! because -- sorry about that. because it's up 54% for the year. the most v
if you're a ceo, you saw the recession going over the fiscal cliff caused you don't want to be hiring. you might have to be firing in january. if we miss the deadline the market will get pounded every thursday as the claims spike because of mandated layoffs particularly in a military industrial complex. people will lose that right in 2013. and thousands of other companies are slimming down because, hey, we failed to rise above. when that happens, believe me, you'll want every bit of this...
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. >> but it's got to be a little bit more than just this advertising, fiscal cliff. what about the business model? look at the competition. these other places that folks can go to listen to music. i mean, what about all of that impacting? we're down 20%. that is huge. >> you know what? that is a big move. stocks don't normally lose 20% in a day. generally speaking, when i see a stock go down 20% in a day, because we like to buy low and sell high, we tend to buy those kind of situations, especially when companies have a clean balance sheet, no debt. no now, in regards to competition, this is a company that expanded its market share. at the end of the day, this is a business model that does have competition. spotify is the record store, if you will, of the internet as well as itunes. apple is the radio, the z-100 of the internet. you don't really see z-100 competing with record stores. therefore, pandora and spotify and itunes are the business model. >> but does pandora have a jingle ball like z-100, rich? i think not. but they do have lots of choices in music. >> joe
. >> but it's got to be a little bit more than just this advertising, fiscal cliff. what about the business model? look at the competition. these other places that folks can go to listen to music. i mean, what about all of that impacting? we're down 20%. that is huge. >> you know what? that is a big move. stocks don't normally lose 20% in a day. generally speaking, when i see a stock go down 20% in a day, because we like to buy low and sell high, we tend to buy those kind of...
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dennis: fiscal cliff survival kit coming up in the next steps your small business should take right now to prepare. plus jeff flock is milking of fiscal cliff story for us and from the farm. jeff: you don't care about the fiscal cliff but if you care about milk prices if we don't get a deal on a farm bill, milk prices could double within a month. i will explain how that will happen right down here on the farm. we will get it from the horse or the calla's and house. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting lief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving theain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going onow -- but hurry, the off ends soon. cheryl: 30 past the hour, the largest generic maker -- >> pharmaceuticals of by 1/2%. announcing a major reorganization plan with $2 billion and expenses over the next five years and this is wide ranging
dennis: fiscal cliff survival kit coming up in the next steps your small business should take right now to prepare. plus jeff flock is milking of fiscal cliff story for us and from the farm. jeff: you don't care about the fiscal cliff but if you care about milk prices if we don't get a deal on a farm bill, milk prices could double within a month. i will explain how that will happen right down here on the farm. we will get it from the horse or the calla's and house. you know how painful...
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. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's capital spending which has a huge tech component, but it's also construction activity because it's building out the commercial infrastructure, health care, roads, et cetera, that associate with capital spending itself. companies can be cautious and we know there are multi, multidecade levels of cautiousness given their cash and where spending is and at some point pure replacement has to take over. that's really what sparked the recovery in housing, we were scrapping so many homes and you had organic growth. i think we're getting to the break point soon. >> tom, let me ask you about a couple of your picks befor
. >> tom, business investment was down 2.2% in the latest gdp report, and a lot of that is fiscal cliff tied to that. when do you see business investments starting to pick up, because we all kind of know the housing story, we know consumers kind of hung in. i think actually the next big upside could be a business investment, if it comes back but when does that come, in your opinion? >> it's a tricky question because there's two dynamics when we talk about business investment, it's...
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cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative days left on the congress's calendar before the looming fiscal cliff becomes a raw reality, will the president and house gop find a way over the latest road black and back to the bargaining table? >> why did the white house decide to have this as their opening volley when they knew the response would be a negative one that they drew? >> was it hardball opening? yeah, of course it was. the question is, what's the counteroffer? >> i would imagine there has to -- tim geithner is too smart of a guy in this administration is filled
cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. >> the speaker's remarks riled the left and provoked this response from senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect, then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> with only a handful of legislative...
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each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limits. president obama called it a dangerous lesson when he talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may refuse to raise the debt ceiling and risk defaulting on the country's loan. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: republicans are pushing back. >> he's the president, not the emperor. he does not have the power. >> reporter: fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a standstill since monday. not by raising rates on the rich as the president had insisted. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't just keep borrowing money, raising taxes and expecting the problem to go away. >> reporter: house members headed home for a long weekend with democrats so far unsuccessful in their efforts to
each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limits. president obama called it a dangerous lesson when he talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may refuse to raise the debt ceiling and risk defaulting on the country's loan. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your...
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going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> is serious. >> sound byte: i'm here trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> get it solved with bourbon. >> stephanie: jim can confirm this is what we've been doing all morning. i brought in leftover french fries and i brought mustard and i've been doing this all morning. sorry about the carpet. sorry, sorry. >> the noises were more graphic when there was more mustard. >> speaking of immature on facebook, tell stephanie if she's ever in austin, i know a gay boy who would motor boat her vigorously. [ squeezing mustard ] >> so that happened. >> stephanie: we've had a week. dan in columbus, here on "the stephanie miller show." hi dan. >> caller: hey, stephanie. my congressional district is right next to john boehners, and if anyone thinks he's the voice of reason, they need to come and read the columbus dispatch to see some of the stuff that he says that is even more inflammatory than the stuff he has been saying the last week or so. he cares about one thing, and that's keeping himself in the speaker
going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. >> is serious. >> sound byte: i'm here trying to resolve it. i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> get it solved with bourbon. >> stephanie: jim can confirm this is what we've been doing all morning. i brought in leftover french fries and i brought mustard and i've been doing this all morning. sorry about the carpet. sorry, sorry. >> the noises were more graphic when there was more mustard....
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but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this assessment -- is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and can you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this -- this assessment i give you today would be a product of both of those conversations. >> how much would you be open to the idea of discretionary spending cuts as part of a down payment to get to a longer range solution on entitlements and tax reform. >> there are a lot of options that are on the table including that one. >> mr. speaker, before the election you were asked whether if obama won, taxes would have to go up. you've made it sound like you would oppose that. now you've -- you're acknowledging that they will. >> the day after the election, i came here and made it clear that republicans would put revenue on the table. as a
but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> is this assessment -- is this assessment of yours based on the meeting with secretary geithner or your phone call with president obama last night and can you tell us something about that phone call? >> well, we had a very nice conversation last night. it was direct. and straightforward. but this -- this assessment i give you...
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make your mark with ink from chase. >>> 25 days and counting until america dives off that fiscal cliff. in just a few minutes, the president makes his point of the day by visiting a middle class family to talk about tax cuts. >>> and on the hill, some members of congress left d.c. yesterday. we showed you the footage. they're on a long weekend. but key players are still there trying to hammer out a deal. eamon javers is on capitol hill with the latest on the negotiations for us. hi, eamon. >> hi, sue. just within the past couple of minutes here we've had a very high-stakes scuffle on the senate floor over the president's proposal to have unilateral authority to raise the nation's debt ceiling all on his own for the most part. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, offered up the opportunity for the senate to have a vote on that. democrats said they would love to take him up on that. they say they have the votes to pass it at a 50-vote threshold. just within the past couple of seconds, mcconnell has said, no, in fact what he wants to see is a 60-vote threshold for that. it looks like t
make your mark with ink from chase. >>> 25 days and counting until america dives off that fiscal cliff. in just a few minutes, the president makes his point of the day by visiting a middle class family to talk about tax cuts. >>> and on the hill, some members of congress left d.c. yesterday. we showed you the footage. they're on a long weekend. but key players are still there trying to hammer out a deal. eamon javers is on capitol hill with the latest on the negotiations for...
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. >> does the fiscal cliff debate and the lack of a resolution at this point impact your business at all? are you hearing from your customers that they might put off a purchase or they're worried about making a purchase given the lack of resolution in washington? >> predominantly it is the uncertainty. on the consumer side, absolutely it has an impact. kind of daily reports of doom that come out all of the media channels. zblipts's playing out on our channels. >> it reinforces consumer skepticism. absolute impact on consumer sent many so it leads to postponing. i think we see that. we sell sprinters, it is a commercial vehicle that's aimed solely at small businesses. in the fourth quarter we have seen a softening of that even though we're up 25% for the year. a slight slowdown in the fourth quarter and that's because small businesses are absolutely postponing purchases as this fiscal cliff debate wages on. >> phil, over to you. >> thanks, sue. steve, i'm curious from your perspective, you look at what happened with incentives for the luxury automakers last month. you guys were puttin
. >> does the fiscal cliff debate and the lack of a resolution at this point impact your business at all? are you hearing from your customers that they might put off a purchase or they're worried about making a purchase given the lack of resolution in washington? >> predominantly it is the uncertainty. on the consumer side, absolutely it has an impact. kind of daily reports of doom that come out all of the media channels. zblipts's playing out on our channels. >> it reinforces...
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. >>> breaking news on the fiscal cliff. the gop saying they will agree to more tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road for detroit. one state senator's plan to dissolve the city. he is your guest. happy friday, everybody. mandy will be back on monday. i'm brian sullivan. thank you very much for joining us. >>> stocks relatively in a holding pattern again all ahead of the fiscal cliff. we're not seeing big moves. people unwilling to take bets. we're going to get to bob pisani in just a minute. >>> but first we need to get to eamon javers with some breaking headlines from mitch mcconnell on the fiscal cliff. eamon? >> brian, we're getting a trial balloon here just within the past couple of m
. >>> breaking news on the fiscal cliff. the gop saying they will agree to more tax revenue if something else happens. we'll tell what you that is. >>> where is john mcafee? the millionaire is still on the run in central america. le call in to the show this hour with how he has been surviving. it is an interview you will not want to miss. >>> plus, are you overtaxed? maybe. but not by uncle sam. we'll tell you why. >>> and why it may be the end of the road...
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fiscal cliff. first we hear from house speaker john boehner after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. that is followed by house democratic leaders after their meeting. then, senate democrats explain what they're looking for in negotiations with republicans. friday on "washington journal," a congressional this story and gives a history of the filibuster rule in the senate and explains the changes senate leader harry reid is pursuing. then austin tell us less starting at 7:00 eastern on c-span. -- washington journal is live at 7:00 eastern on c-span. >> we had 2000 flag officers and generals. today we had one dozen flak officers and generals. the ratio is out of whack. it is not a captain, and a battle of. we look at where we can not only save the money, but we can transfer responsibilities at of the pentagon and consolidate programs and serious significant amount of money. >> this weekend you can talk about tom coburn above the fiscal cliff and the republican party in "in the." on c-span 2
fiscal cliff. first we hear from house speaker john boehner after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. that is followed by house democratic leaders after their meeting. then, senate democrats explain what they're looking for in negotiations with republicans. friday on "washington journal," a congressional this story and gives a history of the filibuster rule in the senate and explains the changes senate leader harry reid is pursuing. then austin tell us less starting at 7:00...
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hysteria of the fiscal cliff. let's talk to don -- for all th hysteria, profits are rising, the economy has got pluses and minuses. i'm not sure people need to pay all that attention to the fiscal cliff. >> well, if you look at what the global stock markets are doing, they suggest that our market would be doing significantly better were it not for the fiscal cliff. now profits have been good. i think people are getting used to the idea they trust corporate ceos more than they trust those that print government bonds that aren't really worth as much by the time they mature. they're also seeing a yield compression around the world. if you look at corporate beyond yields, they're about half of where they were just a year ago. so i think you're seeing a global asset shift that's more friendly to stocks. you haven't seen a lot of fear in the market. and i think what's holding the market back right now is the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> no question. but there just hasn't been a catastrophe yet. and i think that's good.
hysteria of the fiscal cliff. let's talk to don -- for all th hysteria, profits are rising, the economy has got pluses and minuses. i'm not sure people need to pay all that attention to the fiscal cliff. >> well, if you look at what the global stock markets are doing, they suggest that our market would be doing significantly better were it not for the fiscal cliff. now profits have been good. i think people are getting used to the idea they trust corporate ceos more than they trust those...
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and even as a small business person, everyone talks about what the fiscal cliff could do to small business, what obama care can do for small business, but you said we shouldn't worry about that so much, that we should get some sort of compromise in order to keep moving and keep talking and keep moving forward? >> well, i think that it was pretty clear during the course of the election and since and even in the president's speech today where he said he's willing to give on some revenue and some spending cuts, he's proposed some, he's already passed some into law. and beyond that, just from my perspective, what i see is that we know that we're a confidence-based economy, we're 70% of the economy driven by consumer spending and anything that puts a crimp in consumer spending is not good for the economy. so to put a tax rise, a tax rate increase for the middle class makes no sense to me. someone who makes 50, 60, $70,000 a year will lose and will take away a lot of discretionary purchases from people like me and travel and a whole host of other areas. i hope our leaders in washington are liste
and even as a small business person, everyone talks about what the fiscal cliff could do to small business, what obama care can do for small business, but you said we shouldn't worry about that so much, that we should get some sort of compromise in order to keep moving and keep talking and keep moving forward? >> well, i think that it was pretty clear during the course of the election and since and even in the president's speech today where he said he's willing to give on some revenue and...
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is your company hiring and what about this fiscal cliff? how big of an issue is that for your company. >> our company absolutely is hiring. we do business in almost 50 countries. we are fortunate to provide johns all over the world but definitely in the united states we are hiring corporate positions, hourly positions, our franchise partners are hiring management employees especially through the busiest time of year, the retail season to tkpwroeu thgrow the business. as for the fiscal cliff it's frightening, but i have to have a level of faith and belief that our elected officials, and current and growing administration will figure out a way to make sure that we continue to prosper as a country and small business owners like my franchisees still have a strong and productive business climate in wish to run their businesses. jenna: i bet our viewers are probably saying, she would be good in government. do you think you'll ever go in that direction. >> you never know. i enjoy being in the private sector, investing in our communities and being
is your company hiring and what about this fiscal cliff? how big of an issue is that for your company. >> our company absolutely is hiring. we do business in almost 50 countries. we are fortunate to provide johns all over the world but definitely in the united states we are hiring corporate positions, hourly positions, our franchise partners are hiring management employees especially through the busiest time of year, the retail season to tkpwroeu thgrow the business. as for the fiscal...
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is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is american companies have lots of money sitting overseas because they don't want to bring it back and be taxed in the united states. so that is something that puts as one of his eight points because it is holding back investments by american companies. >> all right. the new issue of "the economist" is "the world in 2013." daniel franklin. thank you so much for being on the show this morning. stay with us. much more on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male announcer ] more people are leaving bmw, mercedes and lexus for audi than ever be
is it going to be easier to get bipartisan view on immigration or on the fiscal cliff? they're both very important in terms of getting business moving. >> i think there's more after consensus on immigration than on the fiscal cliff. >> let's talk about taxing overseas profits only where they are earned. explain that. >> well, that's really something where the united states is an outlier and the argument here is bring them back where they're earned. at the moment the problem is...
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cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan lothian. dan, we're learning more about the white house plan to deal with the fiscal cliff. break it down for us. >> reporter: right. this is the plan that secretary -- treasury secretary timothy geithner took up to capitol hill yesterday. it calls for $1.6 trillion in tax increases over a ten-year period more than republicans had anticipated. in addition to that, $400 billion in spending cuts that will come later. much of that not really specified. we're looking at entitlements such as medicare. and then the plan also includes $50 billion
cliff is serious business. and i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> speaker boehner made very clear at his press conference that he thinks the ball is in your court and the president's court. he says democrats have got to get series about spending cuts. where is the disconnect? >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him. okay? >> reid making those comments to our own kate bolduan. i'm joined by dan...
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host: we have been focusing on different parts of the fiscal cliff discussion. today we're looking at tax extenders for businesses and individuals. joining us is sam goldfarb, a tax writer for cq roll call. what our tax extenders? guest: they are temporary tax breaks. some people are concerned the entire tax code is turning into a big tax extender. they are considered to be a small provision and targeted at specific types of businesses. host: why are they temporary? guest: a lot of people say they should be made permanent or they should be eliminated altogether. it is easier to pass when they are temporary. they keep on being extended and extended. host: we will look at some of these. these are some of the tax extenders and the cost of continuing the tax breaks through 2013. host: some of those are really specific. guest: that is the idea. they have become a case study in what some people think is wrong with the tax code. if there are loopholes that can be claimed to love god and their because of a lobbyist lobbied hard to get there, it is these tax breaks that
host: we have been focusing on different parts of the fiscal cliff discussion. today we're looking at tax extenders for businesses and individuals. joining us is sam goldfarb, a tax writer for cq roll call. what our tax extenders? guest: they are temporary tax breaks. some people are concerned the entire tax code is turning into a big tax extender. they are considered to be a small provision and targeted at specific types of businesses. host: why are they temporary? guest: a lot of people say...
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the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are going to insist on some cuts anyway, so bottom line is we are going to see a weaker economy into the beginning of next year. probably one way or the other. now, the counter to that, peter, is that there are forces in the economy that are strengthening it. this energy boom that we've got, the natural gas, the amount of fracturing that we're doing, the fact that housing has been doing tremendously well, and interest rates remain very low with prices, so there's some sense that there's a bit of a renaissance on the horizon, and if the government doesn't mess that up too much, 2013 could end up being as good as 2012 if not a little better. i don't know if you completely disagree with that, peter, but i think there's enough good going on that it could offset the bad. >> to you think it could go up to 10% unemployment. do you agree with peter on that? >> i don't know. i don't know if it will go go up
the spending cuts that would be imposed by the fiscal cliff would be devastating. it would send unemployment higher. it would cost jobs. the republicans, as peter says, are going to insist on some cuts anyway, so bottom line is we are going to see a weaker economy into the beginning of next year. probably one way or the other. now, the counter to that, peter, is that there are forces in the economy that are strengthening it. this energy boom that we've got, the natural gas, the amount of...